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Permalink Reply by John Farrar on September 14, 2009 at 21:42

I would like more information about the alternatives.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Corfield on September 14, 2009 at 22:01

Hibernate - which is the de facto standard ORM in the Java world - and full script CFCs. But then I'd a developer and those geeky things appeal to me :)

For many, cfspreadsheet and cfsharepoint will be the killer features I suspect.

And, yes, Railo will have Hibernate in an upcoming release - already started working on it! - and full script CFCs as well since that's part of the CFML2009 spec (the interesting parts will be where Adobe doesn't implement some parts of that spec because by the time the committee agreed on the syntax, Adobe was too far along in CF9 to be able to go back and make things match the spec... I suspect Railo will have to support CFML2009 and offer a compatibility mode for Adobe ColdFusion).

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Permalink Reply by John Farrar on September 14, 2009 at 22:17

Well... I am still building custom features for things like CFish and COOP. Yet that does not mean ColdFusion is not ripe for the picking. I am very impressed with all they have done in this release. They enhanced and added so many features it promises to be a player on many new solutions. Now there are still things they can do to make it better than great... but it is certainly a GREAT solution IMO.

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Permalink Reply by Miguel Ulloa on September 15, 2009 at 2:05

One project I worked in the past had a lot of business logic on database objects, primarily stored procedures mostly because of the performance benefits. I have payed with hibernate and love how fast it allows me to develop, but I often wonder if the fast development comes at the cost of performance. If we were to build say a reporting application using Hibernate and second version using store procedures which will perform better? More importantly is there any value in doing things the hard way anymore? I have not tested this, but I think SPs should still perform better, what do you guys think?

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Permalink Reply by Jason Dean on September 15, 2009 at 2:42

If by reporting application you mean something that compiles aggregate data and puts it into a nice visual format, then Hibernate will likely perform very poorly. That is not what Hibernate is for. In those cases you are MUCH better off using ColdFusion queries or stored procedures.

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Permalink Reply by Miguel Ulloa on September 15, 2009 at 3:22

Yes that's what I meant

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Permalink Reply by chrissp26 on September 15, 2009 at 8:45

I haven't tried the beta for CF9 to be honest, but just wondered whether CF9 will support something similar to master pages in .net?

I love CF its one of the most flexible languages I have used, but as a designer I would love to see master page support introduced into CF.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Garcia on September 19, 2009 at 18:26

for those of us not familiar with .NET, what is the gist of "master pages"?

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Permalink Reply by Miguel Ulloa on September 22, 2009 at 14:37

ASP.NET Master Pages Overview

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Permalink Reply by Tony Garcia on September 22, 2009 at 22:52

Thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Miguel Ulloa on September 22, 2009 at 14:43

I think master pages are equivalent to layouts and all frameworks (the few I tried at least) support them in one way or another.

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Permalink Reply by Isaac Dealey on October 2, 2009 at 3:17

Oh, sorry Miguel, I just noticed your 2nd post. ;) So I agree with you. :)

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